Across automotive, we’ve been used to just adding widgets on top of the ICE engine to improve power or efficiency over time. The introduction of EV technology is kind of ripping out the carpet from underneath the technology platform and really starting with this brand new nascent technology that we need to do a lot of work as an industry to understand better and make sure the technicians and the people working on the technology also understand better.

Listen to this Collision Vision episode here as we discuss creating a culture of safety first.

Cole Strandberg: Today we’re diving into one of the most important topics in EV repair, safety and personal protective equipment, or PPE, as we continue our series titled Safety First, Prioritizing Health in the Workshop. Joining us today are Bailey Soto and Mavrick Knoles Knowles from Legacy EV, leaders in EV education and technology. Bailey and Mavrick Knoles are here to share best practices for protecting technicians working on electric vehicles and insights into how Legacy EV is helping shops create safer environments for EV repairs. From specialized PPE to essential safety protocols, we’re going to cover it all today with you. It’s going to be fun. We were just catching up pre show about Sema. So I’m happy we have everyone rested and refreshed and ready to go. Mavrick Knoles, I’ll start with you. Give us an introduction of of yourself and legacy EV if you would.

Mavrick Knoles: Awesome. Yeah, Thanks, Cole. Thanks for having us. My name is Mavrick Knoles. I’m the President and Co founder here at Legacy EV. We founded Legacy back in 2019 really with this focus on enabling the workforce transformation for the introduction of EV technology into the transportation sector. So I come from a background and education, been an EV enthusiast for a long time. And so Legacy EV is really a combination of of those two things for me, both this passion for education and professional experience in the industry and then being a big fan of electric vehicle technology.

Bailey Soto: Yeah, I’m Bailey Soto. I’m a curriculum specialist with Legacy EV. So I was actually born and raised in the Detroit area, but ended up becoming an educator, spending a decade in the classroom. And Mavrick Knoles was actually a teacher down the hall from me years ago before Legacy was founded.

You know, Long story short, he invited me to join the team and build out the career and technical education that we offer to both K12 Secondary and then as well as the workforce.

Cole Strandberg: Very cool. So an education focus here as well, which is perfect. A lot to know. I I grew up around the equipment side of the automotive industry and you know, there’s always inherent safety challenges when it comes to repairing vehicles. Obviously that’s what we’re focused a fair bit on here at the Collision Vision, but learning about some of the safety challenges that EVs represent was kind of jarring to say the least. Mattrick, I’ll start with you, though Bailey chime in if you’d like. What unique safety challenges do EVs introduce in collision repair shops?

Mavrick Knoles: Yeah. Thanks, Cole. That’s a great question. It’s one that I feel like often has a delicate balance to it because we don’t want to freak technicians out, but we do want them to be well aware of the dangers associated with working on EV technologies.

Mavrick Knoles: So I think one thing that comes up a lot that it’s like, I feel like this is a good opportunity to dispel potential rumors around EV technology is that they like catch fire all the time. And one thing that we’ve actually seen is EVs actually catch fire at a way, way lower rate than their gas powered counterparts. It’s like 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles for EVs, whereas gas powered vehicles are 1500 plus for every 100,000 EV’s. So the rate of incident is way lower for EVs, but we do need still take that danger seriously.

Mavrick Knoles: You can’t smell electricity like you can gasoline. So there’s this unknown that technicians need to be careful with. And so there’s different safety protocols that technicians need to know. And one thing that we recommend technicians are really aware of is those safety best practices.

And I’ll let Bailey dive into those a little bit more as to what those look like.

Bailey Soto: Yeah, I think the biggest thing that’s hard here in Arizona is our dust is full of metal. So keeping your shop clean is something that I think is a really big challenge because whether the dust is increasing or decreasing resistance, either of those things can generate excess heat. So, you know, making sure that you clean your tools or even having your high voltage tools separated from the tools you’re going to use to get covered in grease, I think is one of the hardest challenges for people who have been working in the same shop for 20 years.

Cole Strandberg: It’s a great point and a great segue into Bailey. Talk to me about why it is essential. You mentioned specialized high voltage tools. Why is it essential for these specialized tools and then further specialized training when working on EVs?

Bailey Soto: Yeah, certainly. Thank you. Well, Ohm’s Law, you know, dangerous current can pass through the body when you’re working with high voltage. It’s just some simple algebra.

So if you can increase the resistance of your body and the tools and the PPE that you’re wearing, you can make sure you’re never exposed to high voltage current. And so they have specialized tools that are rated to be able to work around up to 1500 volts of DC so that you don’t have to worry about dangerous current passing through your body as you use that tool. So you know, it only takes 5 milliamps of current to be dangerous. So we’re always looking to increase resistance, and your tools can do that for you.

Cole Strandberg: I know we mentioned the dust component which is a uniquely your part of the world piece, not so much here where I am in Florida, but what are some other common safety concerns we have when working on EVs?

Mavrick Knoles: Yeah, I think one of the more common ones is loss of isolation. And really you use instruments to 0 voltage verify for that to make sure that you’re working on a non live system. You can avoid most of the like electrical safety concerns by just making sure you’re always working on a non live electrical system, which is how every technician should realistically be interacting with an electric vehicle. Fires are also also a concern.

And we mentioned this here in the first question, but realistically the fires are happening at a way lower rate. But the catch with an EV fires, they’re really hard to put out because they have so much stored energy potential in that system. And so we’re seeing fire departments around the world really try and figure out how to put these fires out. And really what ends up happening is they smother them until they can get them to somewhere safe and then they let them burn over time.

And sometimes these EV fires will burn for weeks or or more and so just all that stored energy, but you just have to be able to smother it, get it moved to somewhere safe, and then let it burn as as the energy dissipates from the system.

Cole Strandberg: Some real risk for sure and and Bailey even from a kind of a technician hands on working on it. I’ve heard some stats with like the amount of electricity. I guess essentially not to sound like a total layman that you can risk yourself in exposing yourself to if you’re not familiar with how to work on these vehicles. It’s some scary stuff. What kind of concerns from a technician’s perspective, specifically related to high voltage systems, are we looking at here?

Bailey Soto: Yeah. Well, I mean, there’s two places in a vehicle that can have energy nowadays, not just the battery, but because of regenerative braking, your motor can also be a generator. And I think that that’s something that we forget about a lot is people are like, OK, I’m safe, I’ve 0 voltage verified on the battery side of the component I’m going to service. But then you also have to make sure that all of that energy has discharged on the motor side as well before you service something.

And so as Mavrick Knoles said, being able to use something as simple as a multimeter to be able to verify that it’s safe for you to take your PPE off if you start your day or before you service the vehicle. With doing that, you know your your instrument is going to keep you safe.

Cole Strandberg: Process is key here when it comes to safety. Might get a little repetitive from a a technician standpoint, but my gosh, is it worth doing. You mentioned a couple times PPE, What types of PPE are essential for technicians who are working on on EVs and how are those different from kind of the typical automotive PPE we’ve had for years and years?

Bailey Soto: I think the one that drives me crazy actually is coveralls. You can buy a 100% cotton coverall, which is preferred because cotton’s going to burn off instead of melt like a polyester can. But where the problem is, is they don’t have coveralls that are non conductive. You’re always going to have a metal zipper or a metal button on them.

And so I think there’s a whole business opportunity and someone who’s truly making non conductive coveralls for the workplace because even our genes have metal rivets on them that we could touch something with. So that’s something that I I think you have to be diligent about as well as the conductors on your body. You know, your glasses, the piercings that you have, all of those things, you know, your wedding ring, you have to have thoughtful care about how those can, you know, put you in danger in some respects. But if you’re wearing things like class 0 gloves, which keep you safe to up to 1500 volts TC with leather overprotectors so that the gloves themselves are safe, you know that what you’re touching is absolutely safe for you to to touch.

However, you just got to be more cognizant of that rivet on your Jean or that zipper on your shirt and how that can put you in danger.

Cole Strandberg: I think a theme here whenever I talk about EV safety is that there’s a lot to know. There’s a lot to learn. It’s constantly changing. If you’re a Body Shop owner listening to this right now and saying, hey, we work on EVs all the time. I don’t know that my technicians are doing this. How can I make sure that I get training and my technicians get training to know, hey, here’s how you handle these vehicles safely?

Yeah, that’s a great question. And, and when we actually get asked quite a bit and 1:00 thing we share here when we’re talking about this and the transition to EV technology or introduction of EV technology in the automotive industry is like across automotive, we’ve been used to just adding widgets on top of the ICE engine to improve power or efficiency over time. The introduction of EV technology is kind of ripping out the carpet from underneath the technology platform and really starting with this brand new nascent technology that we need to do a lot of work as an industry to understand better and make sure the technicians and the people working on the technology also understand better. So for us, there’s really two key places to start.

Mavrick Knoles: The first one is making sure that your technicians and the people that work in your building are trained around EV safety. There’s two typical types of training that we recommend. Level 1 is for anybody that’s working in a business that has high voltage present in the building that they work within. That could be anybody from the person answering the phone at the front desk to the person doing material handling out in the warehouse space.

And really what we want them to understand is how to identify where high voltage is or could be and don’t touch it to avoid it and be able to understand how to be safe around people working with that technology. The second level is level 2, which is really those who are servicing vehicles with high voltage on them doing non live work. So they’re able to pull out a battery pack that’s been locked out, tagged out and 0 voltage verified. They know that there’s no electricity available to cause danger in that system by the time that they’re working on it.

And then the the third piece is really just a general business plan for having high voltage in a building. Where should you be doing your electric vehicle work and what are the different standards that you should have around that technology? Should you have limited approach boundaries so people can see where they’re walking up on, where high voltage work may be being done? And a whole suite of other things that come along with that, that fall under each of those certifications and business plans.

But that’s really the best place to start.

Cole Strandberg: Love it Well, and you guys are both educators essentially, right? That’s what we’re doing right here. I know there’s a background there for me at least and I’m sure you’ve encountered this before. Some of the best training are stories and stories of of both success and of failure. I want to focus on the happier side of those two here. And Bailey, I’ll, I’ll start with you. Are there any examples or stories that that you can share first hand or second hand of how some of the right PPE protocols have prevented a potentially devastating safety situation?

Bailey Soto: Yeah, it’s, it’s funny. Thank you. This is a great question. You know, it’s funny that one of our main, like, battery technicians always wears sweat bands while he builds batteries.

And I remember making fun of him that he looks like Richard Simmons, like sweating to the oldies while he’s working, you know, And I came over and asked him. I was like, oh, that’s really necessary PPE. And he ended up telling me a story about how he landed a bus bar incorrectly and the bus bar copper melted, you know, it ended up burning. Thankfully.
He was wearing his class 0 gloves and then leather overprotector gloves. While he was doing this. It burned through the leather over glove. When you took off and looked at the Class 0, you could almost see like lightning strikes on it.

But it kept him safe. And so ever since then, he even wears sweat bands because he said it was kind of like wiping his brow. That kind of made him lose focus. And he wanted to make sure that, you know, he had all the all the materials he needed beyond just the required ones as it gets hot in an Arizona shop.

And that helped him stay focused as well and and kept him safe from Ian.

Cole Strandberg: That’s what I’m talking about. That’s a story that puts it into real life, real terms, and it’s scary as can be, but we got a happy ending. Mavrick Knoles, any stories you’ve heard of floating around there that we should share as well? Because I, as much as we can talk about it in theoreticals that real life is, is is uniquely impactful, I think.

Mavrick Knoles: No, I think Bailey did a great job. I love that story as well. So I don’t, I don’t have any more to add. I think that, you know, the real goal too with a lot of these process safeties is that the PPE doesn’t ever really come into play is that you actually don’t need it, but it’s a good safety measure to have be available.

So all my favorite stories are the ones that didn’t happen as well because we were just following the critical processes ahead of time.

Cole Strandberg: I love it. And that’s it, right? It’s when the first layer of defense fails, you need that PPE and you need that not to fail. I mean, even just testing the gloves, things like that. It’s, it’s crazy how much goes into it. Beyond PPE, what types of training do technicians need to work safely with EVs, and what resources do you guys have that you you really appreciate?

Mavrick Knoles: Yeah, absolutely. It’s a great question. I mean, that’s our core focus here at Legacy EV, right? We’re we’re focused on education.

I try to let Bailey answer more of these questions because she’s the educator extraordinary. She’s out there actually teaching these technicians every month and inspiring a new generation of technicians to come out. So I don’t want to get too into the weeds on any of these. I feel like Bailey should be doing it.

But we host trainings here at Legacy EV and we work with schools to host trainings as well. So we’ve got partner institutions that are teaching programs with curriculum that we design instructors that we’ve trained and we provide the hardware for them to teach the classes. Then we also do like direct upskill and reskill programming here at our HQ at our facility in Gilbert, AZ. But there’s a lot of the nuance and new things that technicians need to understand from, as Bailey said earlier, Ohmslon Watts law to battery configurations, to how to do continuity testing and follow the juice AC current versus DC, and then emergency response protocols, how to use an AEDCPR using a Shepherd’s hook, all these different safety protocols that change when you’re working with an electric vehicle and an energy system.

Cole Strandberg: Awesome. Bailey, I’ll ask the same question. Sounds like you’re the person with even more answers because that was a fantastic answer for Mavrick Knoles. What types of training do you guys offer? What types of training would you recommend that shops who are curious right now, listening, who are concerned that maybe their training’s not where it needs to be, what should they check out?

Bailey Soto: Yeah, no, this is good. I get all walks of life who come into the training from people who own a tow truck business to someone who wants to be doing Resto mod EVs, you know, and everything in between. And so I think it’s important that, you know, if you work in the environment, whether you’re the Porter, the guy swapping the brake pads, that you get that level 1 understanding like that electrical awareness. I know how to respond to an emergency.

I know what to touch and what not to touch. And then that level 2 is for those people who are going to be the ones actually servicing the electric vehicle. And I don’t want you to think that that takes a long time or that, oh, you’re going to have to go back to school to get this knowledge. You know, for level 2, like the core skill is being able to disable the 12 Volt, disable the high voltage and then verify that you did that correctly.

And so for a lot of like assembly line people who just need to know kind of the basics, like you can do that in one day, whereas, you know, if you want to go deep dive into high voltage troubleshooting, that’s where we recommend that five day EV boot camp with us of like, let’s teach you about components, let’s teach you more about wiring. So we kind of have three different offerings that I think meet the needs of of the industry right now, trying to be that one stop shop of like, no matter what skill level, like we’ve got a training that’s going to help you feel safe in your high voltage workplace.

Cole Strandberg: Keeping up with the changes in this world, just the thought of it sort of stresses me out. How do you guys do this with new technology seemingly coming out all the time? You have you have new brands entering the EV space, new models every year with certain changes. It’s it’s a a tough task I think to keep up to date. How do you guys do it?

Mavrick Knoles: Well, we’re, we’re a unique company in this way. While we’re focused on education and that’s really one of our core missions, we’re also involved in parts distribution for the electric vehicle industry. So we end up working with manufacturers and get access to their technology to work on integration for that unique component. So that we make sure we understand as subject matter experts how this component works and can support the training of it, but can also support the deployment of it out into the industry, being installed and having technicians work with it.

And with EV technology, there’s a unique level of integration that needs to happen to make sure that the motor system is communicating with the battery system and the charger system. And we have now one cohesive system where all of these communicate appropriately. So really I would say it’s the part side of the business that helps us stay bleeding edge. And really as a subject matter expert, we’re working with manufacturers, manufacturers on technologies that are going into OE vehicles not next year or the year after, but the year after that, where we’ve already been able to see it and do integration projects with it, which is really fun and exciting for us.

Cole Strandberg: Man, that visibility has to be a cheat code. And I think I’ve buried the lead here a little bit because I need to scratch kind of dig a couple layers deeper on legacy EV. I think before we part ways, you, you talk about different core pillars of the company. Give us an overview if you would to provide some more context for our listeners. What all does legacy EV do today?

Mavrick Knoles: Yeah. Well, for us, again, the core focus is really that education piece because we believe that’s really what like catalyzes adoption of new technologies across an existing industry. But underneath that umbrella, there’s really 3 core verticals that exist. There’s the education itself, and there’s the parts distribution, and then there’s the systems integration and design.

And those three really work together to create this flywheel effect where we’ve got businesses that are cracking into the EV industry and they want help integrating their product. And then as we integrate their product, they want help getting it out in the hands of the knowledgeable technicians, which we’ve helped build because we’ve created a network of trained and certified technicians that we can now sell their product out into. And so it really helps us to be this like hub and hub and spoke model for the EV industry as a subject matter expert and thought leader.

Cole Strandberg: Love it. Now. Again, that visibility is incredible. You get unique access and you’re able to educate then based on that access and that information, the industry, which is something you can feel really good about. I want to dive a little bit into the future of the company and and its positioning. But before I do that, we talk about trends and and evolution and we’re in an industry that really wasn’t a thing not too long ago with mainstream EVs. I’m sure you’ve seen a ton of change here in in your time in the space. What trends do you see shaping the future of safety PPE and beyond in the EV repair space today?

Bailey Soto: One of the things that I think to be clear is like physics doesn’t change, Ohm’s law doesn’t change. If you can understand how resistance and voltage and current work on a 9 Volt battery, you’re going to be able to service an 800 Volt system. And so as technology grows and changes, it’s a reminder that energy is already standardized. You’re just learning it on a new system.

And of course, they’re all the integrations and com networks that you have to understand. But that fundamental understanding of how energy moves through a system will be consistent whether you’re working on vehicles and ground machinery or you’re working on the Mars Rover and satellites. So that’s something that I think when I think of trends, it’s like we don’t really have standardized training yet. We have limited instructors.

There’s really not a lot of regulation, but once we we all click of like, oh, actually like this is all really similar to each other, I think that we’ll see a pretty big growth curve come pretty.

Cole Strandberg: Fast, fantastic. Well put. I’m excited. I think the future is is bright. Just coming off a presentation about kind of specialization within collision repair. I think we’re already seeing that to an extent with folks doubling down on the EV space. I think that is a bit of a cheat code when it comes to safety as well. Mavrick Knoles, from a legacy EV perspective and related to the name Legacy, what do you think and how, how do you foresee legacy EV kind of evolving and being known in this industry for the future?

Mavrick Knoles: Yeah, I can get a little overexcited and talking about this one because I think there’s such a unique opportunity here with the introduction of EV technology into automotive to really build a new talent pipeline that’s better than we’ve ever seen before. Where we’re starting to train students at an earlier age and getting them exposed to career skills and career opportunities that can get them excited to come back to school and learn more about this technology. And then build that talent pipeline with continuity from the early grades all the way to deployment in the workforce. And that can really be done by standardizing the education and the hard skills and soft skills that students are learning throughout that continuum.

And so really standards is the first key thing. And that’s getting international adoption, getting O ES to agree to the same standard on what it means to be a knowledgeable and master EV technician and building that out with a lens towards an international workforce, One that provides workers with economic mobility to move from 1 brand to another and be able to bring the knowledge of the systems that they learned about and apply that to the next system. And then working that backwards again back into earlier grades in the talent pipeline where we can get 5th and 6th graders really excited about learning about EVs by having them work on go karts. We just launched a pilot project with Maricopa County School District, have about 30 schools signed up to teach their students how to build EVs by working together to build an electric go Kart.

And it is so fun to see the kids get so engaged in building those programs and see this like reignition of the auto automotive programs across schools or on the globe. It’s really exciting.

Cole Strandberg: We talked so much about the talent shortage and I think a lot of that’s the perceived like dirtiness, lack of flash in maybe some of these blue collar trade Z type businesses, certainly collision repair. But man, between electrification, new technologies like ADOS, things like that, it’s becoming kind of cool. And so to get that into the schools, I think is is really, really cool. I think you guys are going to continue to have major success there.

I want to zoom out real quick and get some pontification on the future of EVs as a whole. And then I want to zoom back in for some actionable advice for our Body Shop listeners. Zooming out, you know, for, for the last five plus years there have been some ups and downs with like, oh man, the future is electrification to hey, maybe not we’re, we’re going to pump the brakes a little bit on how quickly that happens. I think you guys have some unique insights into the folks who are doubling down on EVs and, and balking.

I think there’s no question it is a major part of our future, But how do you see that? Are you as excited and of the belief that it is going to be the future as ever? Or where do you kind of where do you stand right now

Bailey Soto: No, I think it, it is the now, absolutely. Even in the few years that I’ve been on the legacy team to see the shift of the, the car culture because you, you know, it’s such a strong and vibrant culture. And they’re not going to just change their minds about a powertrain because of regulation. They have to fall in love with the technology.

And it’s been really cool to see that happening, even through the SEMA education seminars I’ve done over the last three years. And like this year, you know, we’ve got instructors who are like, yeah, like, I love the smell of gas, but like, my students need to know how to work on diesel, gas and electric. And they’re, they’re like, no, I’m not going to retire anymore. Like I have a due diligence to the next generation of of gear heads to make sure that they’re just figuring out what goes faster, which I think is really fun to see that cultural shift now more than anything.

Cole Strandberg: Very cool Mavrick Knoles. Any high level thoughts on the future of electrification in our industry?

Mavrick Knoles: Yeah. I mean, I think it’s the performance that’s grabbing people’s attention now. It truly is a very high performance platform. And you know we saw fuel injection receive some pushback too in the early days.

And I think that’s similar to what we’re seeing with EV. But the performance is there and the efficiencies there. I mean, you can’t argue with the 97% efficient motor, like that’s just that’s way more efficient than when you get out of gas engine, you know, so it’s, it’s almost not comparable. And then the other thing we’re seeing too is like OEM’s are building cars for the global automotive market, not just the US So we see more headwinds in the US than in other countries.

And I think EVs have kind of become uniquely politicized in the US, whereas, you know, EV adoption is still soaring globally and all the OE still want their cars to be sold in global market. So they’re going to continue to push electrification. It might just look a little bit different in the US as well.

Cole Strandberg: I love it. I think there’s so many great arguments for it on, on multiple fronts, but at the end of the day, they’re super fun. Like if you give me the option to rent A EV versus a, you know, ICE Corolla or something, give me the EV every time. It’s a blast.

It’s so much fun kind of bringing this all to a close. You both have been so generous with your time coming off of SEMA. You guys are amazingly awake though, Mavrick Knoles. I hope that’s some caffeine in your cup.

It. I know that was a whirlwind. What final advice? And I’ll start with you, Bailey, and then I’ll I’ll go to you.

Mavrick Knoles: I would you give to shop owners who are listening now? Maybe they’re concerned about the lack of training they have in their shops to ensure their technicians are safe and well prepared for working with EVs.

Bailey Soto: Yeah, absolutely. I would say my final advice reminds me of a local shop that we work with. They only have 10 technicians on staff. They’re, you know, maybe they turn out two restorations, you know, in six months, but it’s it was worth it for them to invest in training one of those techs per shift.

Not only just that person can create all of the safety protocols, they can make sure that the vehicles are safe for the other less trained technicians to service them, but it also grew the total addressable market of that shop. Now they can take on gas restomods and EV restomods. It’s really grown the opportunity for them and made them feel safe and then it also allowed them springboarding into the future of like where this business is going. It’s not surviving any mobility.

It’s going to be thriving.

Cole Strandberg: Love that. Yep, that’s awesome. It’s, it’s there’s so much change in opportunity in this industry, in these collective industries. You shouldn’t be worried about surviving.

Let’s figure out how to thrive. Mavrick Knoles, how about you?

Mavrick Knoles: Yeah, I’ll share another story because I know we connected on that being a fun way to to learn at the beginning of the pod. But I was an early adopter for EV technology. So I drove a 2014 Ford Focus electric. And if you’re not familiar that that was an EV, you’re not alone.

Ford made like 6000 of them. I’m pretty sure had a 72 mile range. I have a ton of stories about owning that, but the high voltage battery went out on it while I owned it. I didn’t know what was wrong with the car.

And so I did what my parents had told me too. My whole life, if I took it to our local mechanic who’ve been fixing our gas cars our whole life. And when I brought that vehicle in, they were like during the headlights, they were like, we don’t know how to fix this. We don’t know how to diagnose it.

We don’t know where to get the parts. Like we don’t want anything to do with this car. So took it back to the dealer and I was just bracing for impact on what the the price was going to be for, for that repair, right? But it was under warranty.

And that’s the lesson I learned. It’s like most CVS come with a longer warranty on the battery, like 8 year, 100,000 miles. But when we started like a CV, it’s like 20,000 EVs out of warranty from the battery side. Fast forward to today, we’re knocking at the door of a million and that number is going to continue to grow every single year.

And so the need for qualified third party service and repair for OEM vehicles is going to grow drastically over the next five years. And so I would say echo Bailey’s advice, like get somebody trained, Start learning how to work with this technology and get prepared because there’s going to be a lot of car owners like me that want to bring their car to you to get fixed. And they need to have options. They need to have optionality to be able to do that.

And you need to have trained technicians to be able to service it. And we’re happy to help along that journey.

Cole Strandberg: I was going to say, I love it. Number one, call legacy EV, get it figured out. Beyond that too, I know as an industry, we’re all working to tackle a lot of these challenges with some of our like nonprofit organizations too. I’m sure you guys work with those guys as well.

But so appreciate the vision and what you guys are doing and building and educating multiple industries along the way and how to work with EVs. Bailey, where can people get in touch with you and Legacy EV and follow along?

Bailey Soto: Yeah, absolutely. You can head to legacyev.com or Legacy EV Academy. And then, of course, if you have questions about the training and you want to reach out to us directly, you can always go to [email protected].

Cole Strandberg: Fantastic Mavrick Knoles, you guys active on any socials? Anywhere else we can reach out?

Mavrick Knoles: Yeah, you can follow us on Instagram at Legacy EV. We also have a Facebook page, TikTok, you name it. All the things that that the kids are doing these days, we’ve got all those.

Cole Strandberg: I love it. Mavrick Knoles Bailey, thank you both so much for a fantastic conversation. Look forward to being in touch.

Bailey Soto: Yeah. Thanks, Cole.

Cole Strandberg: That is all for today’s episode of The Collision Vision. I hope you enjoyed our conversation with Bailey Soto and Mavrick Knoles Knowles from Legacy EV as much as I did, where we talked all about the critical safety measures needed for working with EVs. If you found today’s discussion valuable, be sure to follow us wherever you listen to your podcast or on YouTube where the Collision Vision lives in video form. We’d also love to hear your feedback.

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